20 comments

  • badatnames 23 hours ago
    Look at that subtle off-white coloring, the tasteful thickness of it. Oh my God, it even has a schematic
  • adrianwaj 21 hours ago
    "The card never actually transmits a message back to your phone. Instead, it changes how much energy it absorbs from the field, and your phone detects those power dips and converts them to binary data. Most NFC tags use this harvested energy only to run their internal circuitry, but some NFC chips are able to take excess DC voltage and route it out to external hardware. This business card uses that last feature."

    I wonder if it can be applied to robo-couriers and drone drop-offs. One of those comes to your door, you get your stuff, and you pass something that is powered-up over its sensor and it drives off. It's the equivalent of signing-off on a delivery. The sensor obtains and stores information about you as well.

    Maybe I've got it wrong and the recipient needs the sensor and the driver has the powered device that only switches on when it is ready to do the drop off.

    With this card, what are the information transfer and storage scenarios? Would be great to see a table. Can the two parties both exchange and store information with minimal power? A card with a little battery and power-on button? Card can have some type of port? Can it be be used as a crypto wallet with a kill switch in the event of a robbery or home invasion?

    I think this is important in Hub-and-Spoke communities (previous comment) where population densities decrease but there'll still have to be a lot of exchange going on. Offline-based interactions are a good idea too - keep the airwaves clean.

    • HawtAds 20 hours ago
      I think you are overcomplicating things. You have a power envelope, and you have to design your application around it. That's pretty much it. From an engineering perspective, there's no real complexity when it comes to the hardware, software protocols operate one level higher. Your app lives and dies by its power budget.
      • adrianwaj 19 hours ago
        Yep, good point.

        Another interesting use case would be using the card as part of a crypto escrow.

        The problems being solved here are:

        - walking around with a device that can access a large wallet that could be accessed under duress or coercion

        - Key Pairs are hard to remember and type

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        - pre-pay an escrow online with $100

        - have a payment card in your pocket

        - meet person with another card

        - set a payment amount

        - touch cards

        - escrow unlocks the amount as soon as either card pushes the update online - which if online could be immediately

        - card confirms the transaction??

        - can also delay the transaction, and if both cards are lost in the meantime, the transaction doesn't go through

        - can also specify the payment amount as "set later"

        - receiver can also request an amount

        - escrow can be funded after the meeting

        - good for 1:many payments too, eg splitting a bill

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        cards could also be Key Pair generators, for transferring public keys to other cards, with the exchange recorded for later use. No escrow required. A lot of benefits over handing out printed QR codes of addresses.

        • altmanaltman 13 hours ago
          Okay so everytime I need escrow I will have to do all this? And use a different account anyway? Does not seem more convenient than current systems. Seems like you're trying to make the problem meet the solution instead of making the solution meet a problem and not considering actual user experience.
          • adrianwaj 11 hours ago
            I don't know a lot about this area, but I like the [1 doge = 1 doge] thing where people completely stop thinking about dollars and crypto-to-fiat conversion.

            The card can work with Lay-buy/lay-by:

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            You go into a store, pick something out. Get a crypto address for it and the amount required with your special card. They set the thing aside. You leave and return to the store when the transaction has gone through and get your stuff.

            You don't pay immediately because you don't want to be walking around with a crypto wallet or a crypto debit card. The merchant doesn't want to pay fees either when dealing with an intermediary. There's no fiat conversion either, at least not as a given.

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            Gemini says this:

            "If you want to do this today, ask the merchant to print or email you a dynamic checkout invoice/QR code so you can complete the transfer on your own device later."

            But how widespread is that?

            "It is virtually non-existent at retail scale. While the underlying technology exists, you will practically never encounter this specific workflow in the wild."

            https://share.gemini.google/ZBHVZo47ZSn1

            The "special card" is an evolution of that use-case and organizes it better. You can leave home without thinking about dollars, ready to pay with crypto and not worry about being robbed. No worrying about stockpiling a bunch of receipts either. It's just a 2-step buying process, that's the downside. The shop also has to hope you end up paying once they set it aside. Maybe they'll need a deposit. They can offer deliveries?

            Another idea is to pay online and collect it later. Use the card to authenticate yourself when you collect. That would need some decent tech backing it. Make it non-committal where if you don't collect within a certain time frame, you get your money back but lose a penalty chunk.

            Isn't this what smart contracts are designed for - crypto transactions tied to real world events? The "special card" provides those events.

            [ conversation continued via link above ]

    • sokoloff 8 hours ago
      The key feature of this is the zero power storage on the business card.

      In a drone or robo delivery case, there is already a massive power storage budget available, so I don’t see the particular advantage of this hack being relevant.

      • adrianwaj 6 hours ago
        Keyless entry using an "unpowered keypadded card key" is an application. A key needing a PIN to work is useless to a thief. If someone finds out your PIN, you quickly disable it on your car too.

        Regarding robotaxis:

        "The side of the vehicle features a rugged touch screen. You receive a 4-digit PIN via text or app notification, walk up to the vehicle, and type that code into the car's screen to open the specific compartment holding your order."

        https://share.gemini.google/wzuailgn9yih

        You could roll up with your "unpowered keypad" to the taxi and key in a PIN via that. Saves the car from installing one, and there'd be an extra layer of security whereby your card could be coupled with the drop-off. It makes sense when you don't have or want a smartphone. (see below)

        "External touchscreens mounted on autonomous delivery vehicles face several severe real-world challenges, making them one of the highest-maintenance hardware components on the vehicle... By shifting authentication back to the customer's phone, operators eliminate the weatherproofing and vandalism headaches of external screens while speeding up the drop-off process."

  • yegle 22 hours ago
    For future PCB business card ideas: it would be dope if it can play audios.

    Gemini says you can power a piezo buzzer (causing a small bump on a PCB) w/ NFC (just enough power to drive it) to play the modem dialup handshake audio.

  • cowthulhu 15 hours ago
    I would be really interested to know the cost per card, both at the single card volume as well as the 30 the author ended up getting.
    • officialchicken 8 hours ago
      Me too, despite being delightfully surprised by the BOM widget in the article.
  • jacquesm 18 hours ago
    What an incredibly neat hack, congratulations. In the 80's Motorola had a challenge-response system to open doors with badges that contained a good bit of circuitry that reminds me of what you've built here. Super impressive. I never realized NFC put out so much energy that you could light a bunch of LEDs with it and power a micro controller this large.
  • sciencesama 3 hours ago
    there was a samsung cover which can even program the chip so you can actually show smily faces etc !
  • danshagen 1 day ago
    cool project, especially as a bachelor student of EE!
  • k7peak 17 hours ago
    Okay, I really like this, but I found your Easter egg, and it plays to my Ham Radio heart.
  • entrepy123 22 hours ago
    Really cool. I'd love to be able to order cheap ones in packs of 5 or 10, with custom led colors/locations/sizes/brightness, fitting into a printed card...
  • Sorrel47 21 hours ago
    My wallet has enough NFC devices already trying to talk to each other. Still, a seriously neat piece of engineering!
    • Neywiny 19 hours ago
      What do you mean? What's in your wallet that's an NFC transmitter?
  • m4rtink 19 hours ago
    I wonder if it could run LoRa chip & MCU long enough to send. MeshCore message. :)
  • bimmpoke 12 hours ago
    i saw card with MCU (Mavel)? after i click the link and i know im wrong.
  • rramadass 6 hours ago
    > I should explain how NFC works: Your phone emits a small magnetic field several times a second. An NFC card picks up on that field, making your phone act like a tiny wireless charger. The card never actually transmits a message back to your phone. Instead, it changes how much energy it absorbs from the field, and your phone detects those power dips and converts them to binary data. Most NFC tags use this harvested energy only to run their internal circuitry, but some NFC chips are able to take excess DC voltage and route it out to external hardware.

    Can somebody explain how this actually works (Physics + Technology) with pointers to further resources? I have been meaning to look deeper into "Energy Harvesting Systems" and running a MCU using that but never really sat down to research it properly. Some links;

    University of Washington - WISP (Wireless Identification and Sensing Platform) - https://sensor.cs.washington.edu/research/wisp_1

    Perpetually Powered Energy Harvesting Systems Using the MSP430 MCU - https://www.ti.com/video/3870842958001

  • sohyeon 13 hours ago
    Cool project :D
  • chews 23 hours ago
    Really great project, thanks for sharing and what a well done write-up! Also kudos for including the PCB, BOM, and code on GH with a permissive license.
  • thenthenthen 1 day ago
    Nice write up!
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